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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:46:00 -
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HP is fine, they should not be pinatas
Free LAVs are fine, vehicle users only get 1 starter fit while infantry gets 4.
Increase momentum needed to roadkill, and make LAVs take some damage from hitting infantry. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:43:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.
You don't have to blow it up. All you have to do is stroll behind one of those spacecrete blocks that line the sidewalks and you can thumb your nose at me all day. If you hear a LAV driving around just get out of the street. Problem solved.
If you are out in the fields just walk up a hill high enough to slow a LAV down enough not to hurt you. This is the post of a person that abuses free LAVs.
INVALID ARGUMENT, attack the logic, not the person. Even if you are right about him "abusing" free LAVs, that does not prove his argument is wrong. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:07:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.
You don't have to blow it up. All you have to do is stroll behind one of those spacecrete blocks that line the sidewalks and you can thumb your nose at me all day. If you hear a LAV driving around just get out of the street. Problem solved.
If you are out in the fields just walk up a hill high enough to slow a LAV down enough not to hurt you. This is the post of a person that abuses free LAVs. INVALID ARGUMENT, attack the logic, not the person. Even if you are right about him "abusing" free LAVs, that does not prove his argument is wrong. Where is the logic in being able to use the LAV without an ISK penalty for deploying it? All his post is doing is supporting my claim that it needs an ISK penalty. Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from. Why should you be able to deploy an asset that causes harm to the enemy, outside of the basic suits? There is no logic in that. That is what I am attacking. Not the logic, but the lack of it, for allowing free LAVs. There is no reason that LAVs shouldn't cost ISK to deploy. Give me one good reason why LAVs should be free. You can't, because murdertaxi isn't a good reason.
You're ignoring my point, the point was attacking someone instead of their argument is invalid logic. You can't prove someone's argument is wrong that way.
Since you asked for logic to defend the presence of free LAVs:
Free LAVs give prospective vehicle users a starting point to test out vehicles to know if they like them or not.
Free LAVs provides much needed free transportation, which is necessary given the size of the maps.
Infantry has 4 free starter fits that cost no ISK to deploy to represent different infantry playstyles. Vehicles and their playstyles are just as part of the game as infantry, so its only fair that at least one kind of vehicle would be free.
There are also much better solutions to dealing with the perceived abuse of LAVs. Increase the momentum needed to roadkill someone, and make LAVs take damage from infantry impact. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:20:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Once there are speeder bikes (or w/e CCP calls them) I guarantee there will be no free LAVs.
They said they're coming either next build or the one after that. Until then learn to use AV.
I don't think they ever said that.
Racial variants of existing vehicles are coming in the next 5-11 months, new vehicle types are coming after 17 months or more. This is the time frame provided at the Advancing The Core presentation of Fanfest. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:35:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Since you asked for logic to defend the presence of free LAVs:
Free LAVs give prospective vehicle users a starting point to test out vehicles to know if they like them or not. Then where are the free tanks and dropships? If they are truly new, I said that you would get free LAVs in academy, WHERE NEW PLAYERS PLAY. Once you leave academy you lose the free LAV.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Free LAVs provides much needed free transportation, which is necessary given the size of the maps. Why should ease of movement be a free service? You want to get there quicker, buy an LAV and use it.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Infantry has 4 free starter fits that cost no ISK to deploy to represent different infantry playstyles. Vehicles and their playstyles are just as part of the game as infantry, so its only fair that at least one kind of vehicle would be free. I refer you to my first counter to your logic. If you want to use vehicles outside of academy, then buy them.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:There are also much better solutions to dealing with the perceived abuse of LAVs. Increase the momentum needed to roadkill someone, and make LAVs take damage from infantry impact. No, actually I think mine is the best way to counter it. If you want to use it buy it, if not then STFU.
Why no free tanks and dropship starter fits? same reason why no free specialized suits (assaults, logis, sentinels, scouts), or other basic frames in the infantry starter fits. Medium basic frame dropsuit starter fits are only a starting point, just like LAVs are just a starting point.
"If you want to use vehicles outside of academy, then buy them" That isn't really logical reasoning, its just your opinion of how things should be. It doesn't explain why things should be that way, or why LAVs shouldn't be free.
That BS can just as easily apply to infantry starter fits also, "If you want to use dropsuits and infantry gear outside of academy, then buy them". If starter LAVs shouldn't be free after the academy, neither should infantry fits.
I'm done arguing with you now, I'm starting to think you're trolling; seriously, you're the one who's complaining to change the game, yet anyone anyone who doesn't agree with you should STFU? lol. You must be trolling. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:18:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Once there are speeder bikes (or w/e CCP calls them) I guarantee there will be no free LAVs.
They said they're coming either next build or the one after that. Until then learn to use AV. I don't think they ever said that. Racial variants of existing vehicles are coming in the next 5-11 months, new vehicle types are coming after 17 months or more. This is the time frame provided at the Advancing The Core presentation of Fanfest. They talked about it during fanfest. The bottom right 2 are the speeders. http://i.imgur.com/4xNAmjj.png
I know, but I'm saying they never said its coming next build, or in the near future at all. They gave a time frame for near future (6 to 12 months) and far future (18 months or more) changes/additions, and new vehicle types (like speeders, jets, MAVs. etc) were in far future.
I said 17 instead of 18 in my original reply because fanfest was over a month ago. |
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